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This submission [Please (for Chrissakes) provide the option to bring the Sort Bar back in all folder views.] has been marked a duplicate of

Explorer: always display column headers again (or make it optional)

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Please (for Chrissakes) provide the option to bring the Sort Bar back in all folder views.

Submitted by eikonoklastes2 on January 12, 2009 to Annoyance, Usability

For some twisted (almost Mac-like) reason, the Sort/Group bar has been banished from every view except Details view.

Now the only way is to dive into the right click menu and muck around over there. Highly inefficient.

What's worse, we've now lost the ability to instantly filter out stuff in any view except Details.

Like the Title says, please at least give the option to put it back.

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Discussion (18 comments)

.Chris wrote on January 12, 2009, 5:29pm

Been posted before....

but yes, +1

Seems microsoft is making decesions for us...

Dubya wrote on January 12, 2009, 7:51pm

This option still is available in Libraries, but have been made to be less intrusive. Just right-click and select "Sort by" in normal folder views.

Jeroen wrote on January 12, 2009, 8:08pm

tbh, the details view is the only view in which sortable column headers make sense imo. I don't have a problem with it as it's easily accessible through the context menu.

tino wrote on January 12, 2009, 10:57pm

@Jeroen: It's not easily accessible. There is really not enough space to "right click" with the finger. This pane also showed how the files are sorted.

For me this little but very helpful feature could be the game changer to upgrade or not to Windows 7. Thats why I have posted a similar suggestion here: http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/461

.Chris wrote on January 12, 2009, 11:05pm

@ jeroen, YOU may not have a problem with it, but 13 people do. If they were to add it right now, the 13 will win..

also, content view, dont forget about that one. Same as detels, but it has "tiles"

Cuppa wrote on January 13, 2009, 4:50am

Apparently almost no-one uses the sort bar, hence the removal.

But its absence does annoy me - the extra clicks to get to the context menu do take time.

Jeroen wrote on January 13, 2009, 6:23am

@Chris: so...what's your point? I can see that other people have a problem with it, I'm not blind.
I don't have a problem with it, didn't i put "imo" in my comment? Did I imply to speak for anybody but myself? Should I only express my opinion on the matter when it's the same as the other people that voted? That kind of defeats the purpose of even having comments or any discussion when all that is done is +1 'ing everything. Just let people express their opinion, don't attack people on it just because it's not the same as yours.

.Chris wrote on January 13, 2009, 6:37am

woah there, chill out kid i let you have your opinion just because your new does not give you the right to go off like that


Jeroen wrote on January 13, 2009, 8:25am

Cute.
Thank you so much for allowing me to have an opinion.
I did not go off, I was merely replying to your "attack" on what is simply my opinion. Your previous comment was only aimed at pointing the finger at the vote counter and adressing me like a kid. I did not curse at you, I did not attack you, I did not attack your opinion... As you can´t even handle that I will leave it at this.
I was hoping to find some contructive thinking on this site, I surely hope you´re not a good representation.

.Chris wrote on January 13, 2009, 8:27am

I dont know why you freaked out your comment was orgnally like "i dont care what others think, this way is better)


sad we get new people that want to cause problems. time to ban them

Jeroen wrote on January 13, 2009, 8:34am

My comment was not changed, I never posted anything like you describe Chris.
It´s one thing to disagree, it´s another to spread lies!
Once again, I was just replying to your attack, if you experience that as freaking out...well good luck in life in that case,
I am not looking to cause problems, get off your high horse.
If standing up for my opinion is reason to get banned, go ahead.
Bye

.Chris wrote on January 13, 2009, 9:16am

I wasnt attacking, but ok....

JonathanJ wrote on January 13, 2009, 10:01pm

Don't mind .Chris, Jeroen. He's... special.

.Chris wrote on January 13, 2009, 11:51pm

Wow, real mature

eikonoklastes2 wrote on January 14, 2009, 6:00am

OK then...

Back to the point, the right-click menu is pretty inefficient when you want to try out different sorting methods to get the right look for the folder. For instance, if I first sort by Size and find that it's not actually what I wanted, maybe I want to change to Date Modified instead. This takes 2 clicks on Vista, and takes 6 clicks on Windows 7. It's ridiculous.

Moreover, something as simple as switching between Ascending and Descending requires more clicks and more searching. In Vista, you click once to sort by Date (say) and click in the same place to sort by Date in reverse order. In Windows 7, it again requires 6 clicks to accomplish this - worse, it requires your eye to search through 2 fairly populated menus.

I agree with Jeroen about the Sort bar making sense only in the Details View, but that's only aesthetic sense. It makes far more functional sense to leave it in for all views.

And as I've now realized, there's no way to instantly filter stuff out without first switching to Details view. This blows. Hard.

Or at the very least - an option.

eikonoklastes2 wrote on January 14, 2009, 6:05am

Changed problem description.

eikonoklastes2 wrote on January 14, 2009, 6:05am

Changed problem description.

eikonoklastes2 wrote on January 14, 2009, 6:11am

Changed problem description.

Jeroen wrote on January 14, 2009, 6:17pm

I just realized MS is (again) not taking a consistent approach on this, aside from whether it's the right choice or not. Because in WMP the sort bar is always available in icon view for instance.

I find that the toolbar is not used for the right and most important things (I'm not talking about the toolbar with the navigation buttons and the breadcrumb bar, but the one underneath it (don't know the official name for it).
What if that bar was used for this? Basically two dropdown menus for sorting and setting descend/ascend next to the viewtype slider...makes sense to me as they are related functions I would say? There's enough space for it.

Mugwump00 wrote on February 19, 2009, 11:27pm

Absolutely agree - this was a killer Vista feature.

People keep refering to how you can use the context menus to re-sort the view, which in itself is a pain. What you cannot do very easily any more is filter the content of a folder (Outside of a library) - enter 'type:jpg OR type:bmp OR type:png' into the Search box isn't quite as convinient as clicking 4 times and seeing the result. This functionality was also transposed to the breadcrumb-bar, which it now doesn't.

Seems MS staffer who themselves didn't appreciate how good this toolbar is are responsible for this. Bring for back, or at least as an option on all views!

Mugwump00 wrote on February 19, 2009, 11:27pm

Absolutely agree - this was a killer Vista feature.

People keep refering to how you can use the context menus to re-sort the view, which in itself is a pain. What you cannot do very easily any more is filter the content of a folder (Outside of a library) - enter 'type:jpg OR type:bmp OR type:png' into the Search box isn't quite as convinient as clicking 4 times and seeing the result. This functionality was also transposed to the breadcrumb-bar, which it now doesn't.

Seems MS staffer who themselves didn't appreciate how good this toolbar is are responsible for this. Bring for back, or at least as an option on all views!

nyp wrote on February 13, 2010, 6:33am

Marked as duplicate.

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