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Retain "Clasic Start Menu" in Win 7

Submitted by BYant001 on January 2, 2009 to Usability

So far, MS has removed the "Clasic Start Menu" option in the Beta. The classic start menu option must be retained if you want to win over XP users (MS's currently biggest OS user base). In addition, this option is a time saver for support staff and techies. In many cases loosing this option will cause XP uses to seriously consider other operating systems or they will simply decide to NOT upgrade. The key word here is "option". Why remove one of the most popular option features of Windows?

Return the option for the "Classic Start Menu" to Win 7.

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Discussion (41 comments)

.Chris wrote on January 2, 2009, 5:41pm

XP had the same start menu as vista/7. only 95-2000 had the "classic"

i',m glad they removed it. If they keep bunch of old stuff they are just asking for trouble.

Its been 8 years now since they introduced the new start menu, I'm sure at least 95% have gotten used to it..

tino wrote on January 2, 2009, 5:47pm

New money for old features? This will not work. Take a look at Windows 95, the best-selling OS so far: it had a completely new GUI.

.Chris wrote on January 2, 2009, 5:52pm

Windows 95 was a success because of the new features. (look at their launch campaign, rolling stones "start me up" the fair, jay leno, etc )

intresting thing, is in the early 95 betas, the start button was just the windows flag no "start". They added start because people reported missing the button. In vista they fixed that by adding the button a few pixels out each side...

OmniouS wrote on January 2, 2009, 10:23pm

I love the new start menus - especially in Vista and Win 7 with the integrated search. Search + recently used programs list and quick links make my computer use a lot more efficient! How do you figure that the classic start menu is a time saver for techies?

If the classic start menu returned as an option (it wouldnt bother me if it never returned), it would be cool to have integrated search as well.

.Chris wrote on January 2, 2009, 11:28pm

Then it wouldnt be "classic" now would it? ;)

starways wrote on January 4, 2009, 12:20am

@Chris
'XP had the same start menu as vista/7. only 95-2000 had the "classic"'

The classic option is still often used in bigger companies and really is a time saver for support staff and techies (as ex-support worker I can tell).
Also it wouldn't hurt anyone if the possibility to switch would remain and make some 5% happy.
Btw personally I also prefer the old style ;-)

S-V.P.A.M. wrote on January 4, 2009, 1:47pm

I don't like the old start menu. I use the newer one since XP and I'm happy with it. But hey, why shouldn't the user be able to select, what he prefers?

An option is not a bad thing!

Customizability is a good thing!

Not everyone likes the same thing!

So, let the people choose by their own!

Mart352 wrote on January 30, 2009, 4:25pm

Classic start menu must be in the final version of Windows 7

"Its been 8 years now since they introduced the new start menu, I'm sure at least 95% have gotten used to it.."

Probably only those did not know how to change to calssic start menu. The first thing in Win xp for me is to change that huge and pointless new menu to classic one. Same in Vista and I want to to it in Windows 7 aswell.

The OS must be customizable. Peaople are different and they have different habbits and needs!

dabski wrote on January 31, 2009, 1:14am

I've been using classic start menu since Windows 98. I don't see why it can't be included in Windows 7 like it was in XP. Those who don't use it can stick with the new menu but it would be nice to have the classic one included for those of us who prefer it to the new bloated menu.

S-V.P.A.M. wrote on January 31, 2009, 3:08pm

"The OS must be customizable. Peaople are different and they have different habbits and needs!"

You've got it.

Hallelujah, brother.

+ 1

dabski wrote on February 8, 2009, 9:12am

@.Chris
Your analogy is completely wrong and just because you don't use it dose not mean that you have to tell other people that "it's time to move on" as you put it. To each their own. Not to mention that you already made your feelings about the classic menu clear in your first comment there is no need to repeat them again.

HsiaLin wrote on February 9, 2009, 6:59pm

I cannot believe MS actually listens to all these jerks telling people they do not need classic start menu. Just who the H#%$ do these people think they are? If I or anyone else wants a classic start menu option then by god we should have it. If you do not like classic start menu then so be it but stop trying to ruin for those of us that do like it. And while we`re at it, update Winfile.exe to Windows 7. That was and still is the best Microsoft file manager EVER.

.Chris wrote on February 9, 2009, 7:27pm

May be you guys need to take a chill pill

http://www.geocities.com/vibestothemax/chill_pill.jpg

you guys want old, then use windows 98. keeping old legacy crap can ruin and slow down the system and then we have to hear you bitch that is slow..

Mart352 wrote on February 9, 2009, 8:18pm

"you guys want old, then use windows 98. keeping old legacy crap can ruin and slow down the system and then we have to hear you bitch that is slow.."


you just do not get it do you?

I personally do not need that bling I only need the performance. Win98 with todays hardware is just not as fast as Vista or 7 but i like the 98-s interface more. I do not like when someone tells me what to do or not. I don't want to get used to thing that I don't like. I know that people get used to lots of things. Like hanging. At first they struggle but in the end they are calm but thats not the end I would like.


The new start menu is totaly useless If I want to open programs from quicklaunch with one click. No programmes pinned to start menu means that I have half the width of the menu just white doing nothing (n)

http://www.upload.ee/image/12970/start.jpg

fiji wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:12pm

+1. We need a option. Not everybody want's the new, shiny start menu. Some users want the Classic menu. From the not so famous quote you say "OPTIONS!".

.Chris wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:18pm

Hey there, -47 votes i'm not the only one who voted it down.

.Chris wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:19pm

you want to cry, cry to those 46 others who are on the same page as i am.

fiji wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:20pm

Most of the people who commented wrote favourable things!

fiji wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:22pm

...wtf! Since did this become a discussion about crying. You are obviously not mature enough to understand other people's perspective! You have a extra ordinarily large ego.

.Chris wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:24pm

mmmmm

Well, people here are bitching about the classic start menu not being there and then you went on giving me a lecture and scolding me when 46 others demoted it to.

So ,dont go and have a heart attack over my comments, when there are 46 others who demoted.

fiji wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:26pm

Do you represent all of those other 46 people. No. I'm sure all those 46 other people have a genuine reason why they demoted. You on the other hand don't!

.Chris wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:30pm

you mad that I caught you in the act?

they demoted for the same reason I did, they dont want to be stuck with bunch of old legacy crap.

If we were to stuck with it, we might as well bring back file manager, remove the taskbar go back to the 3.1 era title bar buttons with one on the left and two on the right. 256 colors by default, ...

Yes, that was scarcasam

I know what I say, but that doesnt mean each and every single thing. somethings differ,

.Chris wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:33pm

This is one reason why windows Os is so screwed up. People fail to accept change, so microsoft must keep the old crap, that slows down the system and is at risk for virus etc. The people then bitch "why doesnt this look like the rest of the OS" my system is slow" stupid microsoft, stupid windows blah blah blah blah

if you "must" have the classic start menu and all these 10-20 year old legacy features, then just use an older OS, get one off e-bay

Windows 98
http://computers.shop.ebay.com/items/Software__...ksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282

some cheep prices there...

fiji wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:33pm

How do you know they demoted for the same reason as you? You're just assuming that. How come you can't handle other people's opinions! Instead you start yapping all this useless jargon.

fiji wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:35pm

Who said I want the Classic start menu. I personally think the classic start menu is terrible! As I said in my previous comment we need options!

fiji wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:36pm

Caught me in what act.....

fiji wrote on February 9, 2009, 11:39pm

Kinda funny you deleted your previous comment to make it look like I was talking to myself!

dabski wrote on February 10, 2009, 3:43am

@fiji Your not the first person he's done this to, he did the same thing to me on this and the "FLAC support" submission I think it was, but it backfired on the latter since I had a backup of his comment and quoted him. You only really have 3 options here, leave your comment as it is, delete it or quote him if you have a backup.

@.Chris Believe me when I say that I am a performance freak, I love my install to be as responsive and fast loading as possible while still retaining all its functionality. I can strip XP down to less than 300MB easily using nLite. But what you said is simply not true, the old start menu dose not slow down the system or pose any virus risks, it has no effect on those who do not use it. Also your logic is flawed, just because someone prefers the classic start menu over the new one dose not mean that they will also want to use the old file manager.

As for the -47 votes who cares? Seeing as it is optional I can not see how anyone of those users who demoted this submission would be inconvenienced by its inclusion.

Mart352 wrote on February 10, 2009, 5:29am

Chirs you are the only one who is bitching here. Others are explaining way they want classic menu but your just sayng its crap and nothing else. Nobody is telling you to use it. Starting from XP you do not even have to change the menu, its by default like you want it. So what is your problem??? there should not be one.

Maybe your only goal was to start a flamewar.


Please ignore Chris posts!


Nobody has given a good explanation why classic menu should be removed. Only that people should change their habbits but you just can't force that. I'm not telling how someone should dress or eat or whatever.

.Chris wrote on February 10, 2009, 5:40am

I'm not bitching. dabski is, hes complaining that theres no option for the classic start menu. You his friend of something, is that why your defending him

and there has been an explanation, why should Microsoft keep something so old? they are pushing the new start menu, the search, its jumplists and more.

you people need to move on from the past. Why you here then?

dumb people need to take a chill pill...

Mart352 wrote on February 10, 2009, 6:19am

I don't know dabski.

"you people need to move on from the past. Why you here then? "

Read my previous posts.

"I personally do not need that bling I only need the performance. Win98 with todays hardware is just not as fast as Vista or 7 but i like the 98-s interface more."

I hope that classic menu will be in the final version as an option. If it isn't then I'm sure someone will find something to tweak to get the classic menu.


Server 2008 has classic menu. but why? Is that also a something ancient?

It's not nice to tell someone is dumb If you don't understand them. Maybe the problem is in you??

.Chris wrote on February 10, 2009, 6:26am

So you saying that the start menu, the new one is "bling". You do know no one talks like that right?'

if you like the windows 98 look, use the classic skin then, it may look bad on windows 7, but you will be happy.

no one will, but you can, you can ruin windows 7 by digging in the regestery and adding your 10-20 year old legacy features.....

and no, the problem is you wanting old stuff. want old, then use an old os.

Mart352 wrote on February 10, 2009, 6:37am

You still don't get it!


I truly feel sorry for you.

dabski wrote on February 10, 2009, 8:06am

@.Chris It's difficult communicating with you when you are so prone to irrational outbursts to seemingly normal comments. Stop telling people that they need to take a chill pill you hypocrite, the only one here resorting to insulting people constantly is yourself.

If you actually bothered to read my first post on this submission properly you would come to the conclusion that its a perfectly normal complaint no bitchiness in it. Not to mention that fact that this site is all about complaining, after all if no one complains how is MS going to know what people want changed? If I am in any way coming across as bitchy its because your making up things that simply are not true:
The classic start menu is slow and a virus risk. Seriously were do you come up with this crap?
Ruin the registry by adding 10-20 keys to enable the start menu? Your not fooling anyone here, its clear from your statement that you don't have a proper understanding of how the registry works.

I've said it once and I'll say it again only because you don't seam to understand what I'm saying: You have made it clear in your first post that you do not want the start menu included in Windows 7 why are you constantly repeating yourself? We heard you the first time. Once again I am going to ask you to please stop spamming these pointless comments of yours everywhere.

gweaver wrote on March 15, 2009, 5:29am

I say, put it in as an option. I want my interface to be:
fast
memory efficient
simple as possible.


For me that is the classic theme in windows XP and the non-personalized start menu.

My dad likes it colorful and easy to use. So he sets his desktop to "click to open" and uses the default windows XP theme.

Choice is good and this should be a choice.

.Chris wrote on March 15, 2009, 6:23am

Wont happen.

MistrX wrote on January 25, 2010, 6:45pm

Funny, people whining about legacy stuff ruining the OS. While it's not a complete rewrite of the .dll library structure or whatever, it's just a simple GUI 'option'. Yes, an option. No people will be hurt that way and everyone can use his or her computer the way they want.

xpclient wrote on November 6, 2010, 11:00am

Classic Shell has a far better Classic Start Menu than Microsoft's own implementation.

MistrX wrote on October 7, 2011, 7:52am

Well this is what I was afraid for, they crippled it so much since Vista they pull the plug entirely:

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/10/04/206252/...because-no-one-uses-it

Why am I not surprised? Common man, let me use the start menu the way it worked best: XP style.

Oldiconlover wrote on April 25, 2013, 4:54pm

shut the fuck up chris.

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